“Mick,you've completely missed the point that muslims have been living in Lincoln for decades...in fact you didn't even know it,and the original mosque has been around for decades too....There are no "muslim only" areas,or ghettos that have sprung up.It just goes to prove all your paranoia is unfounded. As for the situation in Canada,I think it reflects on the fact that integration is a 2 way process,..+having been to Canada myself I'd agree that Canadians are more tolerant and less paranoid about others.”

“It's still on it.
You're still locked into this idea that a Mosque will be built in the area and ergo turn into islamabad. The guys going already live in Lincoln and have intergrated pretty well given that there are none of these areas you mention where there is no intergration. What happens in Canada has little, or indeed nothing, to do with what happens in Britian. There was a time when Britishness was defined by it always taking a different stand point to the rest of the world such as be protestant when all around were Catholic, and allowing for differences.”

“Plus it would be nice to cary this conversation on somewhere else where it might mean something and the council might be able to see all the different views on this.
As this has gone off the official echo website now.”

“Well said,well said but pure nonsense you know if there is four or five hundred people going to this place in this day and age at least fifty percent are going to be driving be realistic.
The only time that you will see people not driving there is when the area ends upthe same as these other towns and cities that were mentioned earlier then i agree they wont need cars will they.
All i`m saying is by forcing the people in that area to accept this it is going to create racsism and you know it.
Like i said the town i live in in Canada on the outskirts of town there is beutiful huge mosque lots of parking even been invited there a couple of times but the people who go there have integrated into every community all over town and everyone gets along about time England learnt some lessons from Canada that work.
Kepp doing the same thing over and over you get the same results but maybe thats what you would like to see try change you might like it.”

“Actually Mick their rights are as outlined earlier. They have the chance to lodge a complaint with the council, such is democracy over here. What if they decided that they didn't need cars? Would parking still be the issue? Or is parking a nice cover for other feelings? If someone does something or says something that is racist, don't be shocked when they get called racist.”

“TP you still insist that the mosque should go their totally ignoring the legitimate complaints about parking then when it comes to that point you swing away from rascism and go to human rights trying to use all british laws wether it be about racsism or human rights to get your own way what rights do the people who live in that area have,none when it comes to people like you.”

“Does this still work”

“Mick...let's not twist things,best to read the whole dialogue first. You will see how many insulting remarks have been made against muslims from saying they are "invaders" even though many are British born +bred,posters who say they don't conform to "British beliefs"(quote)+that they don't respect Queen or British law,when they themselves don't know the role of the Queen nor anything about human rights in British law,posters complaining that muslims don't integrate then wanting them to find somewhere faraway to put up a mosque or wanting muslims to pray in churches to prove they "fit in ",posters assuming all muslims are terrorists etc.etc.,
As for insulting women Mick..that is laughable...talk about digressing from the topic+throwing out wild accusations....best not to assume genders of any posters and what's more it's totally irrelevant.
Back to the topic...The solution I feel Mick, is to continue to build a mosque on the site,that was always intended for worship.The fact is the site was left derelict because the local community obviously felt they didn't need it.
Judging by the vehement opposition on here to the mosque,it is clear there are most likely other people out there also that would willingly put an end or try +thwart plans for a mosque no matter what. These people would know that burning it down when it was up+running would definitely point to a racist attack,not to mention there would be people around most of the day,and a lot more people in higher places would be involved in the whole issue,thereby ensuring that minorities are better protected than they currently are. The local muslim community had nothing to gain, not only is it a total loss financially, it puts plans back by years when the community needs it now,where we have to try+find large enough halls available for prayers or Eid functions.Like I said in a previous post,the only real difference the local would notice is an increase in traffic flow and parking etc. would have to be sorted.If locals are opposing the mosque because they have incorrect beliefs about muslims in Britain(like some of the posters on here),it doesn't mean we should conform to that . Locals should be able to voice their legitimate complaints,but that should not be at the expense of human rights.Locals should have a direct line to the committe,providing they can voice their issues in a decent manner. To facilitate good relations with the local community,the imam appointed should be well edcuated (with all the relevant qualifications)be fluent in English,has good communication skills,has an understanding and appreciation of local history etc,.that he should also be present on interfaith groups etc. etc.
I think it will be an uphill struggle, but that's because if people are filled with hate,they won't see beyond that and no amount of goodwill will change that.”

“Ah right, so Dave in Boston can't say anything but Mick in Canada can? Anyways Mick 1) High powered is the director of a company, apparently someone saying I don't have a job on here is not an insult. 2) Here's a shock, I actually talk to them and they live in various flats around the city I work in, one of which is a very nice one over looking the river. I'm not too sure what the situation is that you want solving? If it is where to build a Mosque, wherever a suitable space is free, and if it is about the specific site, a mosque should be built on the site. If people don't like it then they should motion to the council that they don't and lodge an appeal.
An I don't think of myself as above anyone, only those who chose to segregate society built on myths and hatred. Some of the stuff on here is nasty, such as comparing a few muslims in Lincoln to events in the second world war, suicide bombers etc as if there is some relevance. They happen to be of the same religion but are unable to grasp that not everyone is the same. Oh and then there is your intergration issue, how amusing.”

“All praise Ah, Men, the perfect, faultless and immaculate being. He can do and say no wrong. I think I may start my own religion with Ah, Men as my god. As for Dave of Boston; well, lets face it, what goes on in Lincoln has got about as much to do with him as what goes on in Boston has to do with me. In short; nothing. So, mind your own business Dave!”