Patients' anger at hospital smoking rules
PATIENTS have hit out at Lincoln County Hospital rules which mean they have to leave their sickbeds and make their way outside the building just to have a smoke.
Heath bosses have no legal powers to stop patients and visitors smoking at Lincoln County Hospital.
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A smoker
But the United Lincolnshire Hospitals NHS Trust banned smoking from its hospital sites in December 2006 in the hope of protecting patients, staff and visitors from passive smoking and promoting healthy living.
During an Echo investigation 14 smokers were captured on camera near the entrance of LCH in little more than an hour.
The smokers even included a member of staff and a man in a wheelchair.
The Trust told the Echo it had no legal right to stop people smoking and that its no-smoking policy was based on signs and polite requests from staff for smokers to stub their fags out.
During our investigation we also spoke to two staff members who said they got round the ban by walking off the hospital grounds onto the pavement to smoke.
Trust spokesman Anna Temple said: "We don't have any legal right to throw people off the premises because of smoking.
"We have quite a number of staff who ask people to stop smoking outside the hospital but sadly some members of the public have been abusive to them."
She added that the trust had no plans to create a smoking shelter or area in the hospital grounds as this would be against its no-smoking policy.
Meanwhile, Lincolnshire Partnership Trust is applying for planning permission to build a smoking shelter for patients at the low secure mental health Francis Willis Unit which is on the edge of the LCH site.
But the land is owned by the partnership trust which does allow patients to smoke outside.







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by A REAL DOCTOR, REAL HOSPITAl
Tuesday, September 09 2008, 1:38PM
“Dr Phil Button, can you prove Roy Castle did not die of lung cancer from passive smoking;? Did you have access to the post mortem report? No, you did not so you cannot prove otherwise!. What a silly and thoroughly unprofessional statment to make! If you are indeed a doctor, which I strongly suspect you are not then, as an educated man you will note that Roy Castle played wind instruments, such as cornets, trumpets and trombones, in smokey night clubs as a entertainer. As such, his breathing would have been more intense than normal in order to play these instruments. Bearing in mind he did not smoke and that he died of lung cancer, what does that suggest in your expert opinion? Further, the Roy Castle Lung Cancer Foundation work very, very hard to defeat lung cancer and to help people quit smoking. You really are a muppet!”
by Dr Phil Button, Basingstoke, Hampshire
Monday, September 08 2008, 6:02PM
“Can someone tell what is the evidence that Roy Castle died as a result of passive smoking? Mmm...No.”
by Mr Clean Lungs, Fresh Air Land
Monday, September 08 2008, 9:23AM
“Staff; 'fat' people dont give you cancer by passive ihalation of cigarette smoke. They dont make our clothes stink by walking through their cloud of cancerous fog. As an example; Roy Castle never smoked but died of smoking related cancer from pasive smoke inhalation from playing in clubs. And yes, anyone can tell who is a smoker; if its not the yellow fingers it's the husky, deeper voice, which is particularly noticable on women. Or what about the crack lines around your lips from dragging on your cancer stick, or the crows feet around your eyes from your smoke. It could be the fact your hair stinks of cigarettes or it could be the fact that you smell like an old ash tray. And, what really, really pees me off is smokers throwing cigarettes out of their car windows or down in the street. Littering is an offence; cigatte butts are litter......”
by Mrs Brown, Aberdeen
Monday, September 08 2008, 7:23AM
“In response to M, Lincoln, 4 months ago I was making exactly the same points as you about how much the Treasury gets from us blah blah blah. BUT my first grandchild is due in a week's time and so at the end of April I decided to give up. And now I can see how stupid I was for 20 years and how feeble your excuses are now. They are already coming after us car drivers, they're coming after people who eat because food's going up in price so much - who are you fooling? Oh and by the way I had a hysterectomy seven years ago and was wheeled outside in my wheelchair still attached to a drip and god knows what else just so I could have a cigarette. I must have been out of my tiny mind - so glad I got better!!!! PS Try the Allen Carr book - if all else fails shove it in your mouth it should stop you sticking a cigarette in there.”
by Mike, North Lincoln
Monday, September 08 2008, 12:03AM
“Was at Lincoln County Hospital A&E this evening, there was a guy smoking right in the open doorway to A&E, where there were several children waiting inside. How insensitive is that? Incidentally how come we ban people from smoking in pubs because of the risk of passive smoking to others, yet nobody says anything about parents and other adults smoking in cars where children are passengers and cant escape from the fumes this should be ilegal to subject your child to smoke in a confined space.”
by Chris Nowak, Lincoln
Sunday, September 07 2008, 8:40PM
“Smokers ranting. So there's something new...”
by june, lincoln
Sunday, September 07 2008, 5:40PM
“why dontengland stop trying to copy the ways of north america. and let people decide for themselves with the freedom they should have, whether to smoke or not and where. its starting to look like marshall law is starting to be implemented in england. all our freedom of choice is being taken away from us. we should not allow this to happen just because politicians say it should”
by Staff, Lincoln
Sunday, September 07 2008, 4:47PM
“Why do these morons say smoking is a filthy disgusting habit and that all smokers stink? Fat people stink,and I would rather walk through a cloud of smoke than past a bunch of slobs scoffing and dribbling”
by M, Lincoln
Sunday, September 07 2008, 10:32AM
“"unlucky. do they realise how much their smoking costs the nhs? "
Yes, much much less than the 10bn taken from smokers in tax revenues every year (source on that is ASH before you start complaining). Even health england which is technically much much bigger than the NHS as a whole only has a budget of 97.7bn a year, and bearing in mind a quarter of the NHS budget is spent on IT systems, what percentage do you figure is spent on issues even alleged by the craziest of the crazy? I'd wager in number terms it's at the absolute maximum maybe 1bn, and remember I'm not talking about issues PROVEN to be issues caused by smoking but what the crazy people think is smoking related. Proven smoking related issues and cost to the NHS - I've not seen such a report but it's probably what, like 300 million?”
by M, Lincoln
Sunday, September 07 2008, 10:25AM
“Sorry guys - it's smoke to rule. It's not illegal to smoke outside (yet), and until it is the only action available to me short of civil dissobedience and terrorism in the war on smokers is to smoke anywhere and everywhere it's still legal to do so, and I'm sorry but this includes just *outside* (and this is the key thing here - outside - so you people complaining about passive smoking can be quiet to be fair) the hospital.
As for making smoking illegal across the board, well, I have an idea...
Lets play a fun game, I'll call it "Guess who the treasury will come after for the over $10bn lost income if everybody gives up smoking or is legally required to quit".
Now there's a fun game, my guess is.. People that drive cars. Now I'm a smoker, but I don't drive - I wonder how the effects of my smoking compares to the average non-smoking 4x4 driver who is [provably] giving everybody they drive past astma, lung cancer, melting the polar ice caps and all the glaciers in between, the perma-frost in places like siberia, and helping to cause pretty much every war in the world since oil was discovered?
The government expects everybody to be a non-smoker by 2023-ish, when that day comes and the british tax payer is going to have to find what is now just over an extra 10bn a year in tax revenue that is right now being paid for by smokers alone.”