Poles turn down free trip home

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Homeless Polish men living in tents in Lincoln have turned down free flights to their homeland – because they think they can still find work.

The men were offered free tickets home by the Polish Consulate in Manchester after officials read about their plight following reports in the Echo.

The offer – which will also see them given new passports – would have brought to an end their stay on a squalid makeshift campsite on a riverside in Lincoln.

But two men there who have been out unemployed for months are now confident that, with new passports to prove their credentials, they will swiftly be able to find work. And none of them are claiming benefits.

Thomas, one of those living at the riverbank, said: "After this, I can move and find a job.

"It's not really difficult. Everybody is speaking about the recession, but I don't believe it."

Simon Bialek, vice consul at the consulate, is less confident about their prospects – and says the best thing for them to do is return home.

The consulate has been to visit the men at the riverbank to tell them that help is available.

Mr Bialek said that the Poles in Lincoln could be provided with bus tickets to Manchester, documentation, overnight accommodation and free plane tickets back to their homeland.

Alan Wiles, a businessman who has been bringing the men food, said he could not understand why the Poles would want to stay.

"I can't believe that living in Poland can possibly be worse than the circumstances they find themselves in now," he said.

For more on the consulate's offer to pay for the Poles to return home, see Monday's Echo.

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    by unknown, north-west london

    Tuesday, May 12 2009, 9:48AM

    “you ale a a bunch of racist! nobody is asking to provide polish people with council flats, benefits, social services

    but you already have been feeding muslims for years and EVEN they hate you! and try to separate from "real british"

    that's ridiciolous

    p.s. london is not english anymore”

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    by MJA, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 11:48AM

    “""Looks like lot of people have legally been put out of work by exporting jobs, but I do not know of anyone that has been put out of work because they were getting paid £6 per hour and someone has come along to do it for £5 (unless they are self employed that is). ""

    And there is Stephen`s point AC...Unless you have been involved in agricuture and the many jobs involved, packhouse et al, you probably don`t know anyone...At least you seem to recognise the problems caused for local labour by self employed contracts for migrants...It sounds very simple, and it is...A pay cut, or no job..Single status migrants can get by..Local workers with 2 kids, maybe a mortgage, and all the related bills, don`t stand a chance.....”

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    by Anonymous Coward, Lincoln

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 11:28AM

    “"Jonny. No offence matey but you havent yet lost your job to cheaper foreign labour. "

    This is interesting - how did it happen as it illegal? I hope you took the company in question to court for compensation for breach of contract.

    This kind of thing has been going on for years. Look at the 1970's when all the car plants closed due to cheaper and more reliable Japenease cars. Again British jobs going with gains in Japan.

    Then people taking holidays abroad due to the better weather, forcing are hard working Skegness entertainment industry to lay of British workers with the jobs going to foriegn ones.

    More recently all the call centres that have shut up operations in the UK, opening up news ones in cheaper labour countries such as India. UK jobs exported to India here.

    Looks like lot of people have legally been put out of work by exporting jobs, but I do not know of anyone that has been put out of work because they were getting paid £6 per hour and someone has come along to do it for £5 (unless they are self employed that is).”

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    by MJA, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 11:12AM

    “I`ll tell you something that may suprise you jonny.. In the mid 70s as a young man i joined the local Labour party here in Lincoln. I was a member, active at times, until the early 90s..With age comes the realisation, that NO individual or group, hold a monopoly on common sense. This subject just indicates furher the long lingering death of something that is no longer as common as it was...
    "" If a man at 50yrs has the same opinions he had at 20yrs, he has obviously had a wasted life""..Don`t know who said it, but my life has not been wasted...
    I hope that will maybe help you down the road.....”

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    by Jonny, Lincoln

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 10:25AM

    “I had to compete with foreign nationals to get my job. Rather than complain they are from another country, I worked harder to build up my experience and knowledge and have a better job than I previously aimed for. Still glad you felt able to say whether I was going to lose my job or not without actually knowing the full facts surrounding that matter and merely assumed things. Sounds like another subject matter. Good point on the cost of bread in Germany leading to the rise of Hitler. I think there may have been a few other factors though.”

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    by Stephen, Lincoln

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 10:14AM

    “Jonny. No offence matey but you havent yet lost your job to cheaper foreign labour. When, or if you do then you will understand why British people are embitered. British workers do work in other countries however, 9 times ourt of 10 it is because they do a specialised professional and highly skilled job. They can fully pay their way and do not merely travel over on spec to a job they may or may not find when there. In the UK the average working man on the street is being put out of a job, it is the unskilled and the semi skilled and the skilled worker. The fault lies two fold. The government have adopted and open floodgate policy of everyone and anyone within the EU and further afield can come here. The majority of these foreign nationals are either unskilled or semi skilled. Then, the employer has the choice of employing both UK or foreign nationals but only paying the basic minimum wage level. A UK worker who has been paid £7.00 or £8.00 or £9.00 an hour is told that there wages will fall significantly to the national minimum wage level. And if they do not like it a foreign worker will work for the national minimum wage level.This grossly unfair. So the employer gets cheaper labour and employs foreign nationals putting British people out of work and on to benefits where financially, they are better off especially if they have children. Its wrong but blame the very same government who is presently trying their best to bankrupt the UK. Incidentally; after the first world war a defeated Germany tried printing extra money which resulted in a breadloaf costing 40.000 marks. This led to starvation, deprovation and the rise of Adolf Hitler. Great move Gordon!. When the going gets tough we need to tihten our belts. Whether your work colleagues are nice people or not Jonny, if there is a British person capable and available to do that job the priority should be given to British workers. It is not racist it is a case of looking after our own. The correct and natural human thing to do...”

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    by Jonny, Lincoln

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 9:13AM

    “Yes it is quite amusing Ian, like MJA refereing to 'the facts' which he doesn't states, apart from the occasional irrelevant quotation on a matter he doesn't really understand. Then some people are left with nothing more to do than make personal attacks and make claims about always being called racist, while at the same time dismissing those who disagree with them as communists or hippies. I am neither, just a late twenties lad working in an office with a variety of nationalities who I go for a drink with most nights or play footy with. It grieves me that a bunch of people living in tents is used by some people on here to paint all immigrants, as somehow having committed an offence, that of being not born in the country they work.”

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    by Fiona, Lincoln

    Tuesday, March 10 2009, 12:38AM

    “They may be right about their job prospects being better here in the future. If they were to return to Poland, their living conditions would probably be equally bleak, but without the prospect of a job in the future. I would like to go to Poland; maybe the Polish Consulate would pay for a passport and a flight for me. Please!!!”

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    by Steve, Waddington

    Monday, March 09 2009, 10:52PM

    “I have worked in saudi Arabia where your passport is swopped for a working visa. When I left Saudi I used to have to hand in my working visa to receive my passport so I could fly out of the country on holiday and when I returned from holiday the reverse happened.

    On leaving the country at the end of my contract the sponsorship of the company employing me would be withdrawn and I would be given an exit only visa in my passport which lasted a couple of days. Therefore, I had to leave saudi within those couple of days or face deportation.

    Surely a similar process could be utilised in this country.

    We were quite priviledged with the company I wroked for in that we had a nmultiple exit/reentry visa in our passports allowing us to visit such places as Bahrain”

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    by William T, Sudbrooke

    Monday, March 09 2009, 10:45PM

    “If that phrase Human Rights is allowed by local councils to get the Polish people rehoused because where they are camping out becomes a Health and Safety hazzard, the executive decision must be contested at all costs. For I do not trust either Labour or Conservatives councillors who suppose to represent the people of Lincoln. So far politics have been a farce with each other blaming each other as seen at council meetings.
    It is the Polish people who are now destitute crying out to relieve their pains and agonies, and what they have got themselves into. They should have thought about this before the credit crunch began and there were enough warnings echoing throughout the UK and from the financial world of commerce. If they cannot speak English they should have learnt this language before coming to the land of milk and honey. Perhaps like Dick Whittington, they had the impression that the UK/Lincoln was paved in gold.
    Then in reading about the economic downturn which was happening before their very eyes, they would have taken heed.
    Should they return back to their home country is the question?
    With the offer of help, they are apparently not, believing in the lie that all will be well later.
    I have some bad news for them...things are going to get worse whereby the unemployment figure may reach 4 million sooner than expected.
    If they want sympathy like those wanting a bigger house because their current home suddenly becomes a little smaller as more children have been born whilst claiming benefits, then they won't have mine.
    It is simple economics - don't expect people to pay for your mistakes when you know what you are doing and going ahead doing it knowing the consequences.”

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