RSPCA boss suggests super-dairy plans 'may not be bad for the welfare of animals'

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Friday, September 03, 2010
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A SENIOR RSPCA figure has said big is not necessarily bad when it comes to dairy farming.

As campaigns against a proposed 8,100-cow dairy at Nocton continue, the charity's deputy head of animal science, John Avizienius, told Farmers Guardian he did not "wholly agree" with the idea smaller farms are better.

Discussing his personal experience with other species, such as chickens, laying hens and pigs, he said: "You would immediately think if these animals are completely housed, it is bad for them.

"But if you look beyond your first perceptions at the actualities of welfare and devise standards based on an understanding of the animals, you can see that large units can supply good welfare."

Mr Avizienius has visited existing large UK dairy units, and found what he described as "brilliant, cow-centric management" in some of them.

He said: "Some are the epitome of good welfare. You can't fail to be inspired by what they are doing.

"Their understanding of cows is fantastic and they make decisions entirely based around the needs of the cow."

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    by Sam, Spalding

    Monday, September 06 2010, 12:41AM

    “I hope no-1 is fagetting our brave solders hu need the milk also it is about time Gnome Chomsy had a chayng of idenntitee so we can go on in suport of things we dont suport but do suport as long as thay r not on ur dorstep by whitch I do not meen cows of corse but the heroick Vulcan witch without enuf milk cud becum a musseam peice. Cows canot fly but by thickineng air neer the ground thair bovine gasses shud make a softr landing for planes witch is wot maters - not sum kids eyes wattering or the wide open spaces of flys witch can neway be used 4 target practiss an if u say difrent u r a terrurrist or vegun witch is the same.

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    by Deborah, Nocton

    Sunday, September 05 2010, 10:03PM

    “Ah - Gnome - I think you may be letting your mask slip... You need to read more carefully and perhaps employ the powers of analysis of the noted intellectual whose name you've bastardised. Read my posting and you'll see I'm simply quoting Mr Avizienius and his colleague as they both are distancing themselves from perceptions that the RSPCA are supporting the proposal. As I'm sure you well know, the vast majority of people wouldn't want this farm anywhere in this country at this size - we do not have the open space that the US has so it can't be placed easily anywhere in England for all the reasons that have been repeated time and again - not animal welfare as that is not a planning consideration as you should know. Tell you what, why don't you just wait until the objections start flooding in responding to the new application when it's submitted and see then whether you find all the reasoning by myself and fellow campaigners is muddled... and then get some assistance to do the reading you'll need to do to find a viable rationale to argue the case for this proposal.
    It's not a case of not in my back yard (and in actuality it isn't) - but not in this country.”

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    by Bug, Nocton

    Saturday, September 04 2010, 11:06PM

    “Do you want it on your doorstep, Gnome?”

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    by Steve, Nocton

    Saturday, September 04 2010, 2:02PM

    “Gnome,

    The issue is that this sort of agro-industrial installation should not be allowed on anyone's 'doorstep'.

    There is no planning precedent for this kind of development in the UK but experience in the USA has led to regulations that would require a separation distance of 8 miles from residential buildings for a CAFO of this size.

    Additionally, Willes has a record as a known polluter and the CAFO will be built on a fragile geology that supplies water for Lincoln. The impact of the bovine effluent could be catastrophic.

    No, not on anyone's doorstep, thank you.”

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    by Gnome Chomsky, The Cow Paddle

    Saturday, September 04 2010, 1:04PM

    “Deborah, you clearly do not want the dairy near to you, but you are muddled on your reasoning. Mr Avizienius simply said that big farms are not necessarily bad for animal welfare. His statement that he is not overtly backing the Nocton plan does not mean he is specifically opposing it. He means it may not be the monster you imagine.

    Do you object on animal welfare grounds, or because it is on your doorstep?”

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