Friday, March 23 2012, 2:21PM
“The main issue for Teresa May this morning seemed to be "pre loading", where people drink lots of cheap drink before they go out in town in order to save money. One idea is to make that more expensive. However the increase she spoke about was not likely to deter problem drinkers. Perhaps the alternative might be to help lower pubs in prices to reduce the appeal of pre loading. I won't wait for that one.
I think the only way to deal with the problem is not tax it until it becomes a problem of the wealthy, but serious work needs doing on teaching people to be more responsible and getting a culture change. Let us not think we are the only country with this issue, Norway has a similar problem and has far higher alcohol prices.
When I was at university the whole idea of a night out was to get as drunk as quickly as possible, something I indulged in depite being well aware of the health and social impact. It is a cultural thing without an easy fix, sadly. Seems to me this strategy is to appear to at least be doing something, and to be getting in a lot more money for the NHS and police. Since the 24hr drinking the number of alcohol related A and E attendances has increased significantly. A saturday night in the A and E department is not somewhere I ever want to be again if I can avoid it.
In times gone by we had the issue with gin houses so the porter and beer liscenes were made easier to get so a house could get them and be a public house. It was hoped by getting people to drink lower alcholic beverages would help. It is a problem that runs deep in the nation,”
Friday, March 23 2012, 7:12PM
“The Govt is seriously misguided on this one. Milliband's got a cheek criticising them though - this was on the labour 'to do' list before the election and if I remember right Cameron scored points off the back of it. Bottom line is that taxing stuff to death simply doesn't work. In my view the answer to problem drinking lies with education (of the parental sort primarily) and the judiciary - tougher and immediate sentences on anti-social behaviour would hit those causing the problem without roping in the law-abiding sensible majority.
Putting up alcohol prices at the low end of the market also raises the amount of tax revenue the govt gets - hence the default to this narrow sighted solution every time they want to change behaviour. Anyone who knows anything about human motivation has heard of 'carrot & stick' in the sense of 'incentivise good behaviour whilst cracking down on bad' - this Govt, as with those before them as far back as I can remember is all 'stick' and it's about time we saw some 'carrot'.”
Friday, March 23 2012, 10:56PM
“This move will have no impact on pubs, unless they sell beer at £1.20 or less. Premium lagers are already above the 40p threshold.
'Responsible' drinkers will not even notice the difference, unless their responsible drinking is huge amounts of white cider. White cider is unusual in that it is not made from fermented apples, but from distilled alcohol with apple flavouring. That is why it constitutes a problem.
Mr Cameron's suggestion that cheap beer is a problem is deluded. I checked shelves at Asda today. The cheapest bitter is about 25p per can, and the indication is this will rise to 80p. The alcoholic strength, however, was 2.1%. That is only just beer, not shandy available to children.
The Home Secretary was pushed to make this speech for political reasons. She was asked (On BBC Breakfast) how many units she drinks, and looked uncomfortable while dissembling.
The UK is the only country in Europe where alcohol leads to violence. The issue is not alcohol but UK culture.
While I accept that alcohol use is problematic, it appears we are naturally violent people and alcohol is fuel rather than cause.”
“A minimum price per unit of alcohol and plans to ban the sale of multi-buy discount deals will be introduced in England, the Prime Minister said today. David Cameron said he was making “no excuses” for clamping down on the country’s drink problem but admitted the moves would not be “universally popular”. Opposition has come from the drinks industry, with some accusing Mr Cameron of being “seriously misguided”. How do you feel about it?”